FM Dork In Between Old and New, musician from Yes, Countries are good.. Tuesday, 26th September 2006, 1:35|
Just wondering...is there any chance at all of a windows port of this program that takes the opl3 emulation from DOS box for it's sound output while retaining all of the features already available in the DOS version? I think it would be a great alternative version...Hell, I'd do it myself, but it's hard enough for me to use programs, much less MAKE them. :) Just an idea, though, which I'm sure has been brought up before...if it has, feel free to verbally punch me in the face.
Essentric, musician from Australia. Thursday, 21st September 2006, 1:09
I did some discussion with Encore about the implementation of a sample channel, and came to the conclusion that it will really spiff things up, giving Adlib Tracker an increased chance to reach mainstream and make the OPL more famous. The scenario of making small A2M files would still be around to fit in with Malfunction Altair's rules, it will just give artists an added option to add sample based SFX or percussion for even more interesting sounds that cannot be created by FM synthesis. If I was a coder I would help add the function, But I dont :( Everyone, what do you think about a sample channel added to FM?
subz3ro, coder from Slovakia. Monday, 18th September 2006, 14:13
drx: OMG, I thought I won't see you again *grin* Welcome to our community here!
flegmatical, musician from Norway. Monday, 18th September 2006, 2:39
Speaking of the Thinkpad notebook-- are they still available in the second-hand shops with PC equipment in Germany? How much does it currently cost? I thought of buying one specially for AdT2 purpose ;)
Just some new info, seems like the Yamaha YMF72x line of sound cards are PCI and actually have real OPL3. Just bought myself an YMF724F-V off ebay(0.88$) to check if this is correct.
drx, musician from Germany. Sunday, 17th September 2006, 13:26
I use an IBM Thinkpad 760 XL and the built-in OPL3 sounds awesome! No wonder these computers costed a fortune in 1996. It is a very robust and heavy Laptop that runs Win98 SE and also is great for live AdlibTracker concerts.
subz3ro, coder from Slovakia. Saturday, 16th September 2006, 19:20
TiZZ: This is no silly question, you can bet! :) It's been considered many times... either by me, or other people involved in this "project". I can say you only one thing for now- that there is some progress currently going on in this topic... we'll see what we can do (resp. what Da!NyL can do with the OPL3emu portion to Pascal :)
TiZZ, coder from England. Saturday, 16th September 2006, 5:12
This may be a silly question but have you considered doing a win32 console
Essentric, opl3-geek from Australia. Saturday, 2nd September 2006, 3:44
version of Adlibtracker (using the opl3 emulation from DOSbox???)
Hi Found this site finally, I have just installed the AWE64 card, and found that it is just a Vibra 16C (My previous card) with a wavetable extension. I have noticed that there are indeed two different versions of the OPL3. The older version seems to require more latency, and tends to have artefacts on lower frequencies, making the bass sound a little sharper on Subz3ros cover "WHats love." The AWE 64 and of course the Vibra seems to have a faster (no latency needed), cleaner OPL3.
Brendan Bailey, musician from USA. Friday, 25th August 2006, 5:45
Although I do experience that the newer OPL3 still has a tencency to make clicking noises, which in most cases can be resolved by carefully adjusting the attack and release settings. depending on the desired timbre setting the sustain EG type to on, and adding the note release commands somewhere before the next note further reduces the chance of getting those annoying clicks.
Listening to the song while tweaking the timbre to fit in tends to bring out great results on the final piece, which is the sa
Hey guys, could someone do me a quick favor? I need someone to listen to anyone of my songs and tell me if the notes written are actually the notes played. The reason I am asking this is because in every song I composed with AT2, it seemed that every note I wrote was a half step lower than concert pitch (so if I wanted to hear a C natural, I'd have to write a C# instead). I am just wondering what you guys are hearing because the demo song on the downloads page sounds like it is up a half step than what I am hearing when played through AT2. Thanks!
elan, musician from Slovakia. Saturday, 12th August 2006, 17:03
I tryed that BRMTracker.Nice one.But it sounds not so nice as original OPL2/3 but it is nice idea...
flegmatical, musician from Norway. Friday, 11th August 2006, 4:00
Any sites/mailinglists/whatever you guys go to to share OPLx songs etc? I can't seem to find any that are alive...
subz3ro, coder from Slovakia. Sunday, 23rd July 2006, 19:15
Hmm, just quickchecked the FM emulation in BeroMiniTracker... from rough "hearing", it sounds like
Wildcraft, musician from Australia. Friday, 21st July 2006, 21:40
Ken Silverman's OPL emulator is used (imho) :) Well, a better choice would be Tatsuyuki Satoh's emulator,
which is (again, imho) far better, instead.
Just for your interest, the developer of Berotracker has a program called BeroMiniTracker which is a tracker that emulates the opl2/opl3 chip. I don't know how well it emulates the opl as I haven't compared them as yet. You can import .hsc files.
Moogle!, another visitor from The disgrace that is America.. Sunday, 9th July 2006, 19:52
The link is :
I've found another solution to the awful noise from the cards.
Pauli, newbie from backwoods of the backwoods. Wednesday, 5th July 2006, 18:48
Changing the settings in your BIOS for 8 bit recovery time to "8" and 16 bit recovery time to "4" made my SB16 SCSI and AWE32 work properly with not only this program but also the music in Populous plays properly.
I theorize that (Not tried this for sure) it's only the 16 BIT setting that needs adjusting. You have NA (or 0) 1, 2, 3, and 4.
You may want to experiment with both 8 and 16 bit.
Some BIOS' don't have these options.
Also, some systems may have jumpers or dip switches or BIOS settings the control BUS speeds. Before changing these (consult your documentation PLEASE), try the afforementioned Recovery time settings.
If they still don't work, then look into the BUS speed settings. SOme cards will not work properly if the bus speed is too high.
It´s working!!! Altering the OPL latency to "1" solved it. Sounds super kewl!!! I must have an older chip in the card then? Is there any remarkable differences in the sound compared to an OPL 3, as in the AT-sound?
Pauli, newbie from Finland. Tuesday, 4th July 2006, 12:28
Thanks again, gotta get down to some serious tracking now..
Hi everyone, thanks for quick response, I´m running it under win 98. Hve to look at those settings in bios as well. Coluld be a bad driver? Although Ft 2 works... I have to get At II working.
subz3ro, coder from Slovakia. Tuesday, 4th July 2006, 8:13
Pauli: A silly yet still indication question-- are you running the tracker under DOS (w/ EMM386, ... ?) or under Windows (95/95/ME/XP/Vista, ... ?) environment? ;)
encore, adlib-wizard from Sweden. Monday, 3rd July 2006, 18:01
Pauli: Hmm, sounds strange. My other SB16 - a CT2290 - works fine in AT II, and from what I can see, there's not much difference in the specs. Check out the info on this page.
Pauli, newbie from Finland. Saturday, 1st July 2006, 13:05
You can alter the OPL latency by editing adtrack2.ini. Other areas I would check are BIOS settings (if any) regarding ISA, the SET BLASTER-parameters and the other settings in adtrack2.ini. Or, if you've played anything by HYDRA, that's probably how they're supposed to sound.. :D Keep us informed on your progress!
Hello purists, found a computer with an ISA slot and installed a SB16 CT2230 card in it. it has an OPL chip just that looks just like the one in the close up photo in the front page of this site, tested it with Ft2 and it is working fine. When I run AT II and play some modules that come with the program I hear the weirdest distorted noise ever heard so far. Does that particular card not work with AT II? I´ve got another SB16 CT2770 value, which so far doesn´t work at all. Wondering if it´s the crappy computer (pII 350 Mhz, 64 ram) that causes the problems? How do you alter OPL latency? Could that be it?
psy_ill, opl3-geek from Sweden. Thursday, 1st June 2006, 2:22
As I recall, the ct4740 does _not_ work with adlib tracker. Right now I don't remember why, I belive that particular model is missing an opl-chip (it uses wavetable for midi sound), I think I have a ct4740 lying around somewhere but I'm too tired (and a bit too drunk) to go fetch it right now just to check it out.
dschano, newbie from D. Monday, 22nd May 2006, 17:01
Of course, you could always use a emulator of some sort to get the sound of a virtual opl-chip through the pcm-channel of your ct4740. I had success running the latest version of adlib tracker using dosbox and linux for x86, though it sounds rather crappy.
since keycommands and abilitys of adlibtracker are in my mind its really a fun.
flegmatical, musician from Norway. Monday, 22nd May 2006, 0:42
is there a community for exchanging and discussing adlibtracker stuff?
And how about the CT4740 (Sound Blaster 16 PCI), does that work with adlib tracker?
flegmatical, musician from Norway. Sunday, 21st May 2006, 19:38
There are some AWE64D's here:
elan, musician from slovakia. Saturday, 20th May 2006, 17:31
2 Subz3ro: ZAJTRA NAPISEM MAIL...
encore, adlib-wizard from Sweden. Friday, 19th May 2006, 19:40
Hmm, I noticed "We currently offer NO support for MAC, WinNT or DOS". I wonder if that complicates things or not. Oh, probably not, since it's the USB-part they're talking about. Oh well, if you buy it, a status report would surely be nice. :)
subz3ro, coder from Slovakia. Wednesday, 17th May 2006, 12:05
elan> What is the price of this babe? It's kinda obscurely shown at the page, so I don't know what is it exactly. $129 (US)?? Pretty much, IMHO :( Anyway, if really working, it's still worthy ;) If you are also interested in ordering this, write me to my email so we could think about some mailing fee discount!
elan, musician from slovakia. Monday, 15th May 2006, 20:07
[Mozes kludne pisat po slovensky... :-]
elan, musician from slovakia. Monday, 15th May 2006, 20:07
Check this out.Very stupid price but cool device!!! ISA->USB reduction!!!
subz3ro, another visitor from Slovakia. Saturday, 13th May 2006, 16:42
Trackers need OPL3 USB SOUNDCARD and windows/LINUX opl3 tracker...
nim> Nah, I wish I could... but this ain't one of those "easy to get in music stores", and indeed the mailing fee would easily surmount the price of CD itself :'-/
nim, musician from Sweden. Thursday, 11th May 2006, 11:01
if you are also fm-vgm-nerd check out this album!
yew, musician from Finland. Sunday, 23rd April 2006, 10:19
for shinji hosoe fm-music check out arcade or x68000 sound-rips of dragon saber and dragon spirit (great)
subz3ro, coder from Slovakia. Friday, 21st April 2006, 10:02
To Moogle!> SW emulation makes clearly audible difference to what is supposed to be heard from OPL2/OPL3. Just take one of the more 'chippy' tunes (let's say, "Ben\fm63b_rv.a2m" makes use of most chip effects) and play it both on regular OPL-chip card and the AOpen AW320, so you can say if there's any difference ;)
Moogle!, listener from US. Tuesday, 18th April 2006, 16:45
I have found another PCI soundcard capable of running ADTRACKERII, an AOpen AW320. Not sure if it's FM section is built into the chip or emulated, but it works either way in Windows 98 with the AOpen drivers. Ver 2883.
Simon, another visitor from Sweden. Tuesday, 18th April 2006, 14:36
Will check 2K some other time. :p
i just noticed the supplied app ADT2PLAY and it worked without problems, as long as i didnt use the "/gfx" parameter... so i tried configuring ADTRACK2.INI to "screen_mode=3" and "comp_text_mode=0" (textmode 80x25) and the tracker also worked! :-D ...sorry about last post
Simon, another visitor from Sweden. Tuesday, 18th April 2006, 14:19
does anyone know if "adlib_port=0" is an okay config for the ADTRACK2.INI file if i run AT2 in dosbox? ...cant find any parameters in dosbox for deciding the adlib port.
subz3ro, coder from Slovakia. Friday, 14th April 2006, 15:01
when i start adlibtracker2 in dosbox the keyboard dies and only the mouse is working for scrolling the screen so perhaps its the emulated adlib hardware causing this...
thanks in advance if some1 answers
AND OF COURSE, TO SETUP THE 'ADTRACK2.INI' FILE AS WELL...
subz3ro, coder from Slovakia. Friday, 14th April 2006, 14:56
cpu_saving=10 ; use lower number for your dual-core monsters, or higher number for slower machines
encore, adlib-wizard from Sweden. Monday, 13th March 2006, 15:39
Just wanna let you know about new version of DOSBox (for those "unlucky" of you, who have no chance to run AdT2 on real target :) available here: http://dosbox.sourceforge.net
This version resolves some nasty bugs (if we are talking about AdT2, especially the keyboard flag lockups with Ctrl, Alt and Shift keys ;) so it's probably worthy of download.
DON'T YOU FORGET TO SETUP THE 'DOSBOX.CONF' FILE PROPERLY...
(somehow like following)
cycles=10000 # for faster machines, be dare to use 15000 for more accurate timings
Thank you messageboard typers! ;) It's really nice to see your support and also read about the different technical solutions that are actually available. I had never heard of SB-Link before.
psy_ill, opl3-geek from Sweden. Thursday, 9th March 2006, 18:39
I've actually tried the ESS-Solo, as it's builtin on the motherboard on my mother's Acer-PC ("Acerpower S-Series" as it says on the front of it), and my first impression of it was that it sounded very true to the OPL3 on a genuine Sound Blaster. However, playing my "The Absence of Julia" track on it made me realize that the PWM-stuff (on the bassline) isn't perfectly represented as it should be. Maybe some FM-combinations aren't sounding exactly as the OPL3 does? On the other hand, in other matters/tracks, I couldn't hear much difference, if any. So you could go much worse than finding an computer with ESS-Solo, in my opinion.
Thanks for the new version of this great tracker! It doesn't crash anymore when I'm running it under win98... :)
Matej, musician from Slovakia. Wednesday, 8th March 2006, 12:36
Your tracker and FT2 is the only reason I still have an old computer running ms winblows/dos, my main machine runs Gentoo Linux of course.
I run AdlibTracker II on a machine with SB AWE64 PnP, which is an ISA card, and I have never had the possibility to test this thesis, but I think there is at least one good PCI card capable of meeting AT2:s every need; the SB AWE64D, probably hard to get, but I'm hunting for one - my modern, main machine has no ISA slots.
Btw, does someone have information on AST, the tracker for AWE cards? I found the site of the maker, http://www.jamram.de, but the links are broken. I tried to mail the author, but I never got any response. :(
Try PHC.sk for batteries :)
nim, musician from Sweden. Sunday, 5th March 2006, 23:56
I third, I have a Toshiba (dynabook) Portege 3000CT with OPL3-SAx (might that be 3?)
Matej, musician from Slovakia. Saturday, 4th March 2006, 21:04
I had problems getting any sound but windows designated opl-midisynth to output through opl3 but it worked when I tried playing through it in dos.
Ironically just when adlibtracker.net revived and I had been trying at2 out for a while the harddrive lost half of it's data and when I unscrewed the casing I ground down the screws x¨0 gonna try something.
the portege 3000CT is a great buy and works with impulse tracker and many other dos-ware from windows dos-prompt and 3rd-party batteries are sold on ebay :¨3
and oh the keyboard layout (with numpad keys) is so perfectly layed out and it's so thin and sexy.. I've slept with it on several occasions.
Yes yes Toshiba Satelite 220CS with opl3-X inside...
Dexx, listener from Netherlands. Friday, 3rd March 2006, 11:32
this program is great :D
adlibber, another visitor from UK. Wednesday, 1st March 2006, 23:23
here is a Sound IC list that have an OPL3 chip inside ;)
the ONLY PCI chipset i know that has an OPL3 synthesizer was from ESS called ESS Solo
and yamaha got it too.. these chips got it YMF724, YMF740, YMF744, YMF754
i use a Toshiba Satelite Pro 460CDT for playing FM tunes :)
got this onboard: OPL3-SA3, worx great.
Probably nobody read it, but anyway I have a correction to make to my post below. Official response from Cirrus Logic to my enquiries about the CS4237:
adlibber, another visitor from UK. Tuesday, 28th February 2006, 22:17
"This is not a Cirrus board but made by a third party using the Cirrus and Yamaha chips" - hence throwing into doubt my assertion that it's a soundcard-on-a-single-IC, but conflicting with info contained in the released datasheet:
I wouldn't be surprised if it contained a clone of the circuit inside the genuine OPL3. Sounds OK.
Very nice program. I use RADTracker to make OPL2 music.
Matej, musician from Slovakia/Europe. Saturday, 25th February 2006, 11:56
CS4237B chip is very common in many slightly-obsolete notebooks/laptops made by various manufacturers. It's a soundcard-on-a-chip, advertised as OPL2 and OPL3 compatible. I tried it out with AdT2. It does work properly.
Very nice website.Good work.POKEY AND OP3/2 RULES...
Da!NyL, opl3-geek from Germany. Friday, 24th February 2006, 13:54
Snu, musician from USA. Thursday, 23rd February 2006, 0:20
Which driver do you have installed? Creative-Labs?
I don't have any experience with the Audigy2
(proud AWE32&ESS1688 owner - both used for LLSID development)
but you could try to install these Yamaha drivers:
im running xp pro sp2.
encore, adlib-wizard from Sweden. Tuesday, 21st February 2006, 20:03
unfortunately, i wasnt able to find much info on the chip either, thats why i asked here :)
i tried unplugging my audigy2 and no change in the behavior... so its not a conflict.
it seems that old games cant access the fm synth directly, only if i set the default midi output in windows to it, and route the game's midi output through that...
so this leads me to believe that yamaha never implemented direct access to the fm chip in the drivers, which sucks. or maybe its an xp issue, i know xp doesnt like programs directly accessing the hardware.
'tis a pitty...
i guess ill have to try getting an old pentium 2 box up and running with a sb16, oh well.
thanks for the help anyway, if anything else comes to mind, please let me know.
Snu: What OS are you running? If Win98/ME, have you tried both inside Win and DOS-prompt? I've tried googling after more info on both "yamaha ds1" and "ymf724e-v" but there's very little hands-on info to find about it, so it's hard to say what the problem is. The card seems quite unsupported.
Snu, musician from USA. Monday, 20th February 2006, 23:57
I don't have any experience with the Audigy-cards but the drivers for the Live!-cards included software emulation (which is quite lofi in terms of frequencyrate) of "SB16" in DOS. If they're also included with the Audigy/2-cards there could possibly be a conflict, but I guess you should have heard *something* in AT2 atleast.
Do you get any Adlib-sound with other DOS-stuff (f.ex. old games like Commander Keen 4/Wolfenstein 3D)?
encore: i have tried several ports in the ini file. device manager lists the port range for the soundcard as 220-22f, 330-331, and 388-38b, setting the port to a specific number in this range simply causes no sound to come out, tho adlibtracker starts up fine. i wasnt sure if the opl chip itself uses a specific port in this range, or if just the soundcard's range would work?
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strangely enough yesterday it was giving me that error message when i set it to some ports, but it doesnt seem to be today...
i cant get adplug to detect it either, even with installing the porttalk driver.
i guess this pretty much means that the chip is too different and isnt supported then?